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PostSubject: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:47 pm

I hate dota, with a passion

Dota has so many flaws:
The recipe system is a pain in the ass
Agi heroes are imbalanced
Int heroes suck late game
Theres quite a few bugs (picking more then 1 hero, free insta respawning, vision glitches on certain inclines/areas)
Item effects stack in weird ways
The hotkeys were never grouped together well, and to use an item you have to use the numpad which is all the way across the keyboard

I like the general gameplay concept (build a hero, kill enemy base), but there was just too many things that made me dislike it
And I hate it cause its hosted too much, it consumes the wc3 game list like a virus

I had to put that before I started posting about a copy of dota called Heroes of Newerth (which im going to call HoN from now on)

So why would someone who hates dota post about (or even play) a dota clone
Im posting because HoN is awesome, and Ill get to why I even played it in the first place later

HoN fixed everything thats wrong with dota, and improved it
The recipe system is still there, but the layout is better, and its not as tedious (you can select a recipe, and a sub menu comes up where you can buy the items that make it)
Heroes are more balanced, theres an actual magic resistance stat which works like armor to spells that works much better then the wc3 way
The interface is improved, selecting your hero is much better, full stats and spell descriptions are shown, and you can open the shop without moving your cam to the shop (if you buy stuff when your not near the shop it goes into your stash, which is actually part of the interface instead of a circle of power
The hotkeys are improved, you can change them to w/e you want

Theres stat tracking, sorta like ladder, you get a lvl, a win %, and all your kills deaths and assists are saved between games
Theres no lag, everything feels more responsive then wc3 dota
Theres stuff thats not possible in wc3 dota, like certain attack modifications, and spells
The graphics are 10x better
Theres 3 maps right now, more can/will be added, theres the normal dota map from wc3 (remade to look better), theres a 3v3 map thats 4x better then the normal dota map, and theres a 1v1 map that i havent played

If you like dota, then youll love this
If you hate dota (but like the general gamplay concept), then youll like this

The only reason I even played this game is cause its made by S2Games, they made 2 other games, which ive played in the past, and really liked, so I gave it the benefit of the doubt

Right now its free, but at some point it will cost $20-$30 (which is when i wont play it)
Getting a key to play it is kindve hard though

The official site is here: http://beta.heroesofnewerth.com/main.php
Or you can try here: http://heroesofnewerth.com/
You might get a blank page, with just a background, that means theres no keys left to give out (officially), or it might put you at a sign-up page where you need a key, I cant log-out to see what it will say for you
Theres also an official facebook for it: http://www.facebook.com/heroesofnewerth
It possible to get a key from there, but highly unlikely

If you cant get a key from any of the above, PM me if your really interested and ill give you a less official way to get one

If you have an account, my name on it is the same as here, so add me to your freinds list, i wont be on for the rest of today though
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:43 pm

Pat their all gone from what ive looked at, get me 1 ? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:25 pm

yea they are gone Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:01 am

Pat, you realize HoN copied everything from dota right? Same spells, just different names/skins/interface... They even copied the items, but they sorted them better in HoN
Btw, bandalar has beta keys still (I think)
Dota is actually pretty balanced... It's just that you have to know each hero really well and a good item build
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:29 am

I said why i didnt like dota, and it had nothing to do with disliking particular heroes or items

Dota is imbalanced because theres no magical resistance in wc3, some of your armor contributes to how much dmg is reduced from spells, so getting armor protects you from both physical dmg, as well as spells

Since spell dmg is capped at a certain amount for int heroes, and armor isnt, eventually (by mid to late game) int heroes cant do enough dmg
If that wasnt bad enough, add to that the speed of agi heroes, and int heroes dont stand a chance

In HoN armor doesnt reduce spell dmg, theres a whole new seperate stat for that, so int heroes can still stand a chance

That 1 difference balances out everything so much better

Theres still some heroes which i think are to powerful, like theres 1 called jereziah, idk which dota character hes copied after, but hes just insanely powerful against str and agi heroes, int heroes are the only thing that can take him down, his magical resistance barely goes up each lvl


The place I got my key from was shut down, so i cant get more
You'll have to wait till (if) my account gets invites
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:44 pm

w/e think what you want to think... dota is one of the most balanced games on bnet
unlike footies
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:41 pm

I don't like DotA :p
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:31 pm

Kallock wrote:
w/e think what you want to think... dota is one of the most balanced games on bnet
unlike footies

I never said footies was balanced, the tiers are (NE is a bit op if you have alot of money), but the heroes arent at all lol, this isnt about footies though

All I know is, i hate dota, but i like hon

Ive played 6 games of dota over all of the years its been out, and ive played 5 games of hon in the last day and a half
4 of those dota games were recent (like june), 2 were from a long time ago (1 was from the starcraft version years ago, but i dont count that)

Have you played hon yet? (im assuming you like dota, since your defending it)
And what kind of dota characters do you play (im assuming its not int), or do you have a specific character
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:34 pm

I like HoN idk whay people like dota :DD

HoN > DOTA
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:10 pm

int heroes are some of the best heroes =X
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:18 pm

only for people who know how to use them,

peple who die more than twice Already lose with int, since str or agi will rape hard as they revive =/ its all about lvling for int to be good if u lvl ur good if u dont u lose PERIOD
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:38 pm

iv heard about hon on vent i forget the guys name though. blood whos the guy that gave us the channel? but yea he made it sound good i wanted to try it but he used all his invites already
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:50 pm

ahh, i was too late in getting one. All my friends have been raving over how good it is. If anyone has a spare key, i would forever appreciate them xP
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:15 am

http://www.alienwarearena.com/event/hon-beta-giveaway/

Is giving them away, all you have to do is make an account at that site and you can get a key
At the time of posting this theres 6973 keys left, but 20 go every minute so if you want one, youd better hurry

I got keys for amaz, mark, backseatdriver, and zetta
I PMed them to you
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:00 pm

thanks pat, i installed it, and this is what happened after i clicked the HON icon on my desktop

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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:06 pm

thanks pat! it worked :B
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:19 pm

yea the game crashed for me, it might be that i dont have the minimum requirements
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:51 pm

Amaz:
Open your startup.cfg file (\My Documents\Heroes of Newerth\game\startup.cfg) and change this line:

SetSave vid_shadowmapSize "2048"

to this:

SetSave vid_shadowmapSize "256"

and:

SetSave vid_shadows "1"

to:

SetSave vid_shadows "0"


Save start.cfg and close it
Start the game

Also make sure you meet the system requirements

Minimum:
Processor - 2.2GHz Pentium 4 / AMD 2400+ or faster
RAM - 1GB of RAM
Video Card - GeForce 5 and ATI 9800 w/ 128 MB VRAM
Windows XP, Win2k or Windows Vista
Network Connection Required

Recommended:
Processor - 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo / AMD 3500+ or faster
RAM - 1.5GB or higher
Video Card - 256MB Geforce 7800+ or Radeon X1900+
Network Connection Required (Broadband)
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:28 pm

it says i cant open the startup, heres a screen pic .... its big
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:36 pm

right click it, then scroll over "open with", and select either wordpad or notepad
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:42 pm

This pops up again, even after i did what u said
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:26 pm

well i can play? :DD lol but i have to play on my windows part soo, its laggy but it works, i think they used the wrong things working with the dmg =/ (the mac file) for the game i tihnk it raws upon the wrong version of my opengl? can u help?ASDAKSJDAKSD
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:49 am

oh yea pat, i have a cd key gfor this game, but its active, do u know how to deactivate it with out the guys pass and account name?
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:01 am

You cant do that lol

Whered you get it from

I probably have an extra one but i havent played it since august 20th or so
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PostSubject: Re: Heroes of Newerth (DOTA Clone)   Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:02 am

amaz gave it to me

btw can u stop being anti social and look at the chatbox or bots? loser... making me wait for ur posts
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